tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802182.post7347945316222678942..comments2023-10-17T21:10:20.875+11:00Comments on Buzz and Words: Grieving for the climateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802182.post-26967956161791929042009-03-29T15:13:00.000+11:002009-03-29T15:13:00.000+11:00http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/03/28/some-new-cli...http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/03/28/some-new-climate-and-energy-blogs-and-resources/#more-1201<BR/><BR/>You might find some like-minded folk here...meririsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720720191848802872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802182.post-3431199630647246742009-03-27T21:15:00.000+11:002009-03-27T21:15:00.000+11:00Hm just re-reading, the point I made as a comment ...Hm just re-reading, the point I made as a comment there does seem to contradict the point in the post about "large chunks of the population" going through grieving. Sorry to any readers who expect an academic level of consistency. <BR/><BR/>I think what I mean is there are organised discrediting campaigns out there,that make it look like huge numbers of ordinary people are rabid deniers. But its really hard to tell if that is actually the case or not! Or if they are just a small army of mean beans.BSharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13476954442687657122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802182.post-22523250634711768602009-03-27T20:45:00.000+11:002009-03-27T20:45:00.000+11:00Yuh, I totally agree about complexity. And yes I a...Yuh, I totally agree about complexity. And yes I agree that those who will suffer a lot (e.g. those who lost their loved ones and houses in Vic bushfires) haven't created the problem of dry and hot conditions, and probably most even weren't climate deniers either. <BR/><BR/>I even kind of sympathise with those who say bloody-mindedly bugger recycling and small individual action because it's pointless, this is too big a problem. (I don't really agree with the attitude, but I do get it.)<BR/><BR/>It's more those that make the screeching attacks on people like James Hansen/ George Monbiot/ Al Gore, etc etc. They are advocating more much more than individual voluntary action (I think the greenie catch-cry is tough, global measures). <BR/><BR/>To me, Hansen et al are trying to take care of people as much as possible, but still these horrible, negative nay-sayers jump up and down as if the best way to protect people is to deny science, deny action, blatantly lie, and defame. In the political/ news arena they seem to be making a frenzied attack on a concept that, although unpleasant and difficult, has been more or less proven many times over for ten years. <BR/><BR/>This is why I mention the counter-campaigns. I think they are cynical big-industry parries to protect profits, and they are using people to get out and fight against the "global warming conspiracy". The kind of people who wheel out sun spots and heat islands and blah blah, don't seem to be just grass roots citizens as far as I can tell.<BR/><BR/>On a bright note - my comment got published on the Canberra times article ! Yay.BSharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13476954442687657122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802182.post-61169310136543548012009-03-27T18:48:00.000+11:002009-03-27T18:48:00.000+11:00I think part of it is that we're grappling with th...I think part of it is that we're grappling with the sheer complexity and enormity of climate change and what doing something about it actually means. Because it's everything, it's not in nice bite-size bits like recycling. And that's very very hard for most people to get their heads around, which clears the space for the shrilling deniers who have a nice simple message, which is, do nothing, don't worry. <BR/><BR/>The other thing that people are realising and grappling with is that voluntary action by good hearted people is not enough. And that it's not just the deniers who will come screaming to you in your hammock, it's a bunch of other people, a very large bunch, who will really be in the shit through (mostly) no fault of theirs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802182.post-91295808961057660142009-03-27T08:32:00.000+11:002009-03-27T08:32:00.000+11:00I've raised the topic of limiting the number of ch...I've raised the topic of limiting the number of children we have amongst other parents a few times, and got embarrassed, startled laughs. No matter what the gender of my 2nd child, I will stop at two. I won't "play again a 3rd time for a girl, thanks Tony" if I have two boys. Two boys would be lovely. So would a boy and a girl.<BR/>Amazed that apparently noone else seems to be considering world overpopulation, despite regular coverage in the mainstream media about what Australia can handle population-wise (not to mention the globe as a whole). Or is that just that I mostly follow the ABC news? Not that they're perfect - a lot of their reporting leaves me with more questions than answers too.meririsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720720191848802872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802182.post-30224849920838324332009-03-26T22:17:00.000+11:002009-03-26T22:17:00.000+11:00Yuh, I reckon the same on recycling really : ) Jus...Yuh, I reckon the same on recycling really : ) Just really thinking of some extended family who say they recycle just coz I told them too! Eek. Not a great deal of engagement on the reduce/reuse side, but oh well. (Mind you they had plenty of experience of rationing from WW2, so hey, what do I know). <BR/><BR/>Yes, less landfill, less badness.BSharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13476954442687657122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802182.post-66299654946416778102009-03-26T21:58:00.000+11:002009-03-26T21:58:00.000+11:00I love it! I think I should make you a t-shirt wit...I love it! I think I should make you a t-shirt with those exact words on it - save you the hassle of screeching it :) I think exactly the same thing. But in general, I dunno, I get the feeling a bunch more people are getting with the program - taxi drivers talk to me unprompted about alternative fuels - and that never happened five years ago. Climate change is seriously on the agenda and I guess in plain terms a majority of folk must generally 'believe in it' here in oz or no government would be crazy enough to try to make it national issue, with legistlation to boot. <BR/><BR/>And (not to sound pernickety) I think recycling has heaps to do with climate change. In a literal, emmissions reduction, embodied energy type way of course, but also because in terms of mind shift, it's all about accepting that we live in loopety loop system, and that what we do affects stuff elsewhere. "Stuff goes places, and stuff has an impact on the place it goes to." There is no 'somewhere else' that we are not connected to. Whether that stuff is greenhouse gas emissions, plastic wrap thrown in landfill, toxics going into the ocean, soil being blown off agricultural land - whatevs. To my mind, if most people could just really engage with that idea, we would be halfway there.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04269997470510994567noreply@blogger.com